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		<title>By: Wings 5, Oilers 6 (SO) at On the Wings</title>
		<link>http://motownwings.com/2009/10/30/nomorejimmah/#comment-38</link>
		<dc:creator>Wings 5, Oilers 6 (SO) at On the Wings</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Oct 2009 15:46:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] read this. I can&#8217;t find it within myself to disagree.      &#171; Filppula out 6-8 weeks with broken [...]</description>
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		<title>By: sigsegfalt</title>
		<link>http://motownwings.com/2009/10/30/nomorejimmah/#comment-37</link>
		<dc:creator>sigsegfalt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 21:16:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem with Howard is that his fundamental goaltending skills just aren&#039;t where they need to be to compete at the NHL level. If you watch the goals in the links Chris posted above, this is obvious. If he was in position the majority of the time and was just letting some flukey ones in due to jitters or whatever, I could handle that. But he is all over the place. Several times last night he seemed to trip over himself, as if he was playing in leg pads that don&#039;t quite fit him properly. Other times he makes it to where he needs to be but his angles are so off that it&#039;s not very hard for guys like Hemsky to snipe the shit out of him.

I know the Wings have spent a lot of time and effort on developing Howard, but at some point they&#039;re gonna have to cut him loose. I just can&#039;t see him improving significantly enough to cut it as an NHL goaltender.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with Howard is that his fundamental goaltending skills just aren&#8217;t where they need to be to compete at the NHL level. If you watch the goals in the links Chris posted above, this is obvious. If he was in position the majority of the time and was just letting some flukey ones in due to jitters or whatever, I could handle that. But he is all over the place. Several times last night he seemed to trip over himself, as if he was playing in leg pads that don&#8217;t quite fit him properly. Other times he makes it to where he needs to be but his angles are so off that it&#8217;s not very hard for guys like Hemsky to snipe the shit out of him.</p>
<p>I know the Wings have spent a lot of time and effort on developing Howard, but at some point they&#8217;re gonna have to cut him loose. I just can&#8217;t see him improving significantly enough to cut it as an NHL goaltender.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Bakanowicz</title>
		<link>http://motownwings.com/2009/10/30/nomorejimmah/#comment-36</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Bakanowicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 19:39:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m with you Chris - I&#039;ll gladly eat my own words if Howard gives me reason to.

But until then - if it ever happens - he&#039;s a bust.  I&#039;ll take anyone in the backup role at this point.  Bring back Hasek!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m with you Chris &#8211; I&#8217;ll gladly eat my own words if Howard gives me reason to.</p>
<p>But until then &#8211; if it ever happens &#8211; he&#8217;s a bust.  I&#8217;ll take anyone in the backup role at this point.  Bring back Hasek!</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Hollis</title>
		<link>http://motownwings.com/2009/10/30/nomorejimmah/#comment-35</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris Hollis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:45:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding Cloutier: A joke if anything. I&#039;m in no way advocating for his return to the lineup.

To Kyle&#039;s point: I&#039;ll agree with you that stats can be made to say anything, and I really hesitated in pulling them into this. If anything, it just makes us realize how ugly the goaltending situation as a whole is right now in Motown. I believe it will shake itself out in the end, just not sure how long that will take.

The thing that really fuels this thought process in terms of Howard is that he&#039;s been in the system for five years now, and there has never been a ton of discussion about him having enough upside to carry over to the NHL game. Sure, he started off hotter than hell in Grand Rapids, but produced only one winning season following that. Granted, there are a million different factors that come into play when considering that, so I&#039;m not going to base an argument off of wins and losses on an affiliate team.

I think this post speaks more to his fundamentals, and as you mentioned, his mindset from night to night. Am I predisposed to think this way because of the way his game was dissected and hated on during the summer? Probably. Is that fair? Probably not.

Maybe this is all a bigger slam on Osgood&#039;s lack of consistency. If Ozzie was putting down more consistent performances early this season, then maybe I would be more inclined to watch Howard flail around in net and learn the ropes.

I&#039;ll say this much: I&#039;m never above saying that I was wrong with an opinion and if Howard starts putting it up, then I will shut up and eat my crow and say I was wrong. I&#039;m just not buying into him yet, for better or worse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding Cloutier: A joke if anything. I&#8217;m in no way advocating for his return to the lineup.</p>
<p>To Kyle&#8217;s point: I&#8217;ll agree with you that stats can be made to say anything, and I really hesitated in pulling them into this. If anything, it just makes us realize how ugly the goaltending situation as a whole is right now in Motown. I believe it will shake itself out in the end, just not sure how long that will take.</p>
<p>The thing that really fuels this thought process in terms of Howard is that he&#8217;s been in the system for five years now, and there has never been a ton of discussion about him having enough upside to carry over to the NHL game. Sure, he started off hotter than hell in Grand Rapids, but produced only one winning season following that. Granted, there are a million different factors that come into play when considering that, so I&#8217;m not going to base an argument off of wins and losses on an affiliate team.</p>
<p>I think this post speaks more to his fundamentals, and as you mentioned, his mindset from night to night. Am I predisposed to think this way because of the way his game was dissected and hated on during the summer? Probably. Is that fair? Probably not.</p>
<p>Maybe this is all a bigger slam on Osgood&#8217;s lack of consistency. If Ozzie was putting down more consistent performances early this season, then maybe I would be more inclined to watch Howard flail around in net and learn the ropes.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll say this much: I&#8217;m never above saying that I was wrong with an opinion and if Howard starts putting it up, then I will shut up and eat my crow and say I was wrong. I&#8217;m just not buying into him yet, for better or worse.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://motownwings.com/2009/10/30/nomorejimmah/#comment-34</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:41:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In retrospect, I think management threw him to the wolves this season to show he wasn&#039;t (and might never be) ready for the big leagues. I seem to recall sort of a fine-you-want-him-on-the-roster-here-he-is mentality around the announcement that he made the team.

They just needed to confirm their suspicions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In retrospect, I think management threw him to the wolves this season to show he wasn&#8217;t (and might never be) ready for the big leagues. I seem to recall sort of a fine-you-want-him-on-the-roster-here-he-is mentality around the announcement that he made the team.</p>
<p>They just needed to confirm their suspicions.</p>
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		<title>By: Megan Saler</title>
		<link>http://motownwings.com/2009/10/30/nomorejimmah/#comment-33</link>
		<dc:creator>Megan Saler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:19:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cloutier? Oh dear. How far have we fallen? Cloutier was at Wings training camp. I was there. I was not impressed. Chris Osgood, Daniel Larsson, Thomas McCollum, and yes, even Jimmy Howard looked better than he did.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cloutier? Oh dear. How far have we fallen? Cloutier was at Wings training camp. I was there. I was not impressed. Chris Osgood, Daniel Larsson, Thomas McCollum, and yes, even Jimmy Howard looked better than he did.</p>
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		<title>By: Kyle</title>
		<link>http://motownwings.com/2009/10/30/nomorejimmah/#comment-32</link>
		<dc:creator>Kyle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 18:10:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The thing about stats is you can really work them in your favor when you need to. Did you mention that, if you don&#039;t include the St. Louis game (this was before last night&#039;s game, mind you) his save percentage was .936? Yeah it&#039;s a small sample size, but I&#039;m just prove that goaltending stats are meaningless at this point in the season.

He was not good last night, but I&#039;m amazed at people who&#039;ve flipped on him after he stood on his head and stole, yes, stole, the Vancouver game. If he had ANY kind of reasonable defensive effort in front of him, I&#039;d probably be on this boat too. But to me, this is more of Wings&#039; fans looking for scapegoat and generally being way too impatient.

He does fight the puck. Wings fans must forget what it&#039;s like to have a rookie goalie. Watch rookie goalies from elsewhere in the league. It&#039;s a high pressure position, most goalies do it. Some have really awful outings, but that kind of thing stops when they get confidence. THAT&#039;s my concern in Jimmy&#039;s game, he doesn&#039;t have a great mental outlook and I&#039;m not sure how he could have come out so flat after playing so well before. But he made some big saves late in the game, as ugly as they looked, and right now we only have one goalie on the roster who&#039;s doing that and fans are calling for his head.

There&#039;s no way TJHE is ending so soon. Detroit has more patience than that and it&#039;s absolutely absurd to think they&#039;ll just get rid of him. Suck it up and take the lumps. Find me any elite goalie in the NHL that didn&#039;t sputter through parts of their career. Jimmy&#039;s been an NHL goaltender for three weeks, we should be glad that Holland and company aren&#039;t as trigger-happy as most of the fans, otherwise we probably wouldn&#039;t have any good players right now.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The thing about stats is you can really work them in your favor when you need to. Did you mention that, if you don&#8217;t include the St. Louis game (this was before last night&#8217;s game, mind you) his save percentage was .936? Yeah it&#8217;s a small sample size, but I&#8217;m just prove that goaltending stats are meaningless at this point in the season.</p>
<p>He was not good last night, but I&#8217;m amazed at people who&#8217;ve flipped on him after he stood on his head and stole, yes, stole, the Vancouver game. If he had ANY kind of reasonable defensive effort in front of him, I&#8217;d probably be on this boat too. But to me, this is more of Wings&#8217; fans looking for scapegoat and generally being way too impatient.</p>
<p>He does fight the puck. Wings fans must forget what it&#8217;s like to have a rookie goalie. Watch rookie goalies from elsewhere in the league. It&#8217;s a high pressure position, most goalies do it. Some have really awful outings, but that kind of thing stops when they get confidence. THAT&#8217;s my concern in Jimmy&#8217;s game, he doesn&#8217;t have a great mental outlook and I&#8217;m not sure how he could have come out so flat after playing so well before. But he made some big saves late in the game, as ugly as they looked, and right now we only have one goalie on the roster who&#8217;s doing that and fans are calling for his head.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s no way TJHE is ending so soon. Detroit has more patience than that and it&#8217;s absolutely absurd to think they&#8217;ll just get rid of him. Suck it up and take the lumps. Find me any elite goalie in the NHL that didn&#8217;t sputter through parts of their career. Jimmy&#8217;s been an NHL goaltender for three weeks, we should be glad that Holland and company aren&#8217;t as trigger-happy as most of the fans, otherwise we probably wouldn&#8217;t have any good players right now.</p>
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		<title>By: Nancy Bakanowicz</title>
		<link>http://motownwings.com/2009/10/30/nomorejimmah/#comment-31</link>
		<dc:creator>Nancy Bakanowicz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 17:12:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you!  I&#039;ve been saying for a couple of years that Howard is just not good.  He&#039;s had his chances and he hasn&#039;t impressed - at all.  He is, at best, a career minor leaguer.  Send him back to GR and sign Dan Cloutier.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you!  I&#8217;ve been saying for a couple of years that Howard is just not good.  He&#8217;s had his chances and he hasn&#8217;t impressed &#8211; at all.  He is, at best, a career minor leaguer.  Send him back to GR and sign Dan Cloutier.</p>
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		<title>By: Jamie Favreau</title>
		<link>http://motownwings.com/2009/10/30/nomorejimmah/#comment-30</link>
		<dc:creator>Jamie Favreau</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:49:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The way you explain it makes it hurt that much more.  I haven&#039;t liked him since the first time they brought him up.  He hasn&#039;t really been able to win a game.  Sure they won in Vancouver but I don&#039;t see him consistently winning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The way you explain it makes it hurt that much more.  I haven&#8217;t liked him since the first time they brought him up.  He hasn&#8217;t really been able to win a game.  Sure they won in Vancouver but I don&#8217;t see him consistently winning.</p>
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		<title>By: Big Red Machine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Red Wings at Oilers, 29 October</title>
		<link>http://motownwings.com/2009/10/30/nomorejimmah/#comment-29</link>
		<dc:creator>Big Red Machine &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Red Wings at Oilers, 29 October</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Oct 2009 16:00:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Motown Wings, A2Y, and Bingo Bango all commented before the game that this is the exact type of scenario that would lead to a Red Wings loss.  Edmonton got shutout their previous two games (v. Colorado and Vancouver), are ravaged by the flu (both swine and garden variety), and yet come out with guns blazing to pop 5 goals in 2 periods.  Of course.  Sadly, we all saw this coming a mile away. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Motown Wings, A2Y, and Bingo Bango all commented before the game that this is the exact type of scenario that would lead to a Red Wings loss.  Edmonton got shutout their previous two games (v. Colorado and Vancouver), are ravaged by the flu (both swine and garden variety), and yet come out with guns blazing to pop 5 goals in 2 periods.  Of course.  Sadly, we all saw this coming a mile away. [...]</p>
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